http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/569872
And then this;
UN Headquarters in Gaza hit by Israeli artillery.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/14/gaza-thursday.html
I came across the article from the Star last evening while perusing the winged monkeys site looking for targets. In keeping with the usual theme over there, they were voicing support for der Party and it's position. No surprise there. I had to take some time to digest this, and try to analyze it rationally so I could make an attempt to write about it rationally. This morning, just before starting to write, I discovered the second article.
There is a lot to say, and I will start with kind of an odd thought, a line from our National Anthem;
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee. Question. Is that what our government is doing? Are they standing up for Canada and the values of Canadians? I know this issue has a great deal of varied opinions and views attached, but should we not look at the opinions being voiced around the World and be very serious when considering our government stood alone amidst 47 countries with it's position to oppose the UN motion? Are they so busy hunkered down with the billionaires and seeing visions of gold dancing in their heads, that they didn't notice even the Bushbots have stood aside in their unfettered support of Israels actions?
O Canada. O CPC Lords, I cannot help but feel you have lost your way, and you are dragging the rest down with you.
Then comes the news of yet another aggression against a UN facility, and not a minor outpost this time either. Perusing some of the disaffected Liberals blogs this a.m. reveals some who are questioning the sanity of Israel's Mr. Olmert. Not sure if they had heard about the UN headquarters yet. I didn't see any mention of it.
Comrade,yes and when will the collective punishment and forced confinement of a whole population, 30-40% of whom are children, be addressed? Israel is intentionally creating generations of traumatized, terrorized, poverty-stricken people by intentionally attacking civillians, (among many other acts) one third of them CHILDREN. WHY? As for Canada being the one odd vote- that is one small man trying and FAILING TO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY. Again. Thanks for your answers to my questions, Comrade Okie. Linda.
ReplyDelete"Israel is intentionally creating generations of traumatized, terrorized, poverty-stricken people by intentionally attacking civilians"
ReplyDeleteComrade Linda,
As much as it grieves me to say this, the political leaders of the State of Israel have lost the vision of their own past. Only to see it as a tool to manipulate public opinion. And they have lost on that field as well, by virtue of their actions.
In my humble opinion, based on what I have read over the course of the years, they are not serving their people especially well, and they are totally disregarding the brutality of their past. That they hold this out to everyone, of all countries, and all faiths as justification for their current actions, is offensive to any rational mind.
Personally, I want to support the existence of Israel, but I find it very difficult if they choose to behave like barbarians.
Personally, I want to support the existence of Israel, but I find it very difficult if they choose to behave like barbarians.
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White phosphorous shells rank right up there with cluster bombs and land mines and not too far from napalm.
Barbaric even in a war where excessive force is required to give acts of aggression from other countries reason to think twice before committing to engaging Israel.
It appears to me that the Israeli government doesn't care what the world thinks about their actions. I am begrudgingly approaching a point where I can't hear the screams of their ancestors any longer. It's not because I don't want to, or because I don't try to understand. It's because I can't in good conscience support their positions any longer. Murder is murder and they haven't provided a single decent justification for their actions.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, the CPC and Ignatieff Liberals are helping me to understand what people refer to when they use the term Zionism.
I already know what terrorist means. In this case, the term Irgun applies.
'other countries reason to think twice before committing to engaging Israel.'
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but I don't believe this has anything to do with the security of Israelis. This is about politics, money and purification as the ultimate goal.
Israelis have banned Arab groups from running in the upcoming elections. The only reason they tolerate the Evangelicals is for Money. Do you really think they're not going to take advantage whenever and wherever they can? They're as bad if not worse than the Bountiful mormons. Taking and stealing from 'gentiles' is acceptable.
Our tax dollars are paying for this genocide. Every time I think of that makes me want to puke.
I hear you, Dee. The "defence" defence just isn't cutting it. I never thought the proportionality arguement was good because how do you quantify these things? But people are saying "war crimes" for a reason. They killed a U.N. Peacekeeper in Lebanon. Maybe they are trying to desensitize us (the world) to their actions. Nothing surprises me. Linda.
ReplyDelete'Maybe they are trying to desensitize us (the world) to their actions.'
ReplyDeletehttp://angrybear.blogspot.com/
Posted a very interesting entry on the topic. There is a good debate going on in the comments section.
Someone did post Israel actions as America's 'Wag the Dog'. I thought that was interesting.
What we think is irrelevant. As long as Israel receives full American backing, arms and money, they can do whatever they want to in the name of their self-declared security requirements. All they have to do is churn out the propaganda, fling accusations of anti-Semitism, and keep the Jewish appeals going.
ReplyDeleteIn the case of Israel, might is right, and everything else is subject to manipulation and irrelevant. And nothing will change unless sosmeone convinces the Americans to force Israel to be reasonable. There just is no other way.
Now this is interesting....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2009/01/israel-boycott-divest-sanction
Morning, Comrades! How do I access the links here, Dee and Herb? I'm learning about computers and blogs (any advice on protocol?) As well, I share this computer with family so my time is limited.
ReplyDeleteLinda, since the blog won't posts links or shortcuts as such, you will have to copy the text of the link, and then paste the text of the link into your browser.
ReplyDeleteHerb 9:50
ReplyDeleteI agree Herb. I'm going to do another post on this later as there is a question that keeps nagging me about this.
I'm also wondering if putting the Gazans on notice regarding aid might not move things along. Certainly, providing the means or at the least, being complicit in facilitating both sides to remain inflexible is not working out very well.
The propaganda drums are becoming louder:
ReplyDelete1. Editorial in the Ottawa Citizen contrasting the hate displayed in pro-Palestinian demonstrations with the inclusion of Palestinians in prayers for peace in demonstrations in support of Israel. Yes, hypocrisy recognizes no limits. See "Hate comes to town" at http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Hate+comes+town/1182873/story.html
2. And on the same editorial page, we have a column by John Robson proclaiming the following as "Canada's finest moment":
"The Harper government standing alone in the UN Human Rights Council. That body's latest one-sided anti-Semitic resolution passed 33 to one, with 13 abstentions. We were the one, alone, and you couldn't ask for better company."
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Canada+finest+moment/1182875/story.html
The moral is that Hamas, just like al Qaeda, came out of nothing, did not arise in reaction to anything substantial, but was created out of spite and hatred for democracy, freedom and Western civilization.
Jesus would have wept, except that he might have joined the Palestinian and his tears would have been declared to be anti-Semitic.
I'll read Mr. Robson's offerings shortly. I'll cover one eye. I wonder what executive position he holds with the Party? Any senate seats left? Duffy's got 2, one for each cheek.
ReplyDeleteHaa Ha...that was mean wasn't it?
P.S.: I'll let you know when the Jewish Defamation League comes after me.
ReplyDeleteI so want to play devil's advocate here.
ReplyDeleteFrankly, if I had my druthers, we would impose a media blackout on the whole situation, and peek in once a year to see if either side has come to their senses.
However, the rhetorical question I would ask is what is the appropriate response to a neighbour whose founding principle is for your destruction, and who keeps lobbing prjectiles into your yard?
I would say "a pox on all their houses", except that the situation already is a pox on all their houses. What a sad situation, for all involved.
"I would ask is what is the appropriate response to a neighbour whose founding principle is for your destruction, and who keeps lobbing prjectiles into your yard?"
ReplyDeleteDon't invite them over for dinner?
EB, would you consider finding out why they are out to destroy you and are throwing projectiles into your yard? Of course, if you discover that they have reasons for this display of neighbourliness, you might have to do something about it. Easier to just chuck better ordnance back.
ReplyDelete"Don't invite them over for dinner?"
ReplyDeleteI didn't realize this wasn't a serious topic...
Are you really suggesting that the appropriate response is to ignore them?
"EB, would you consider finding out why they are out to destroy you and are throwing projectiles into your yard?"
ReplyDeleteI thought it was about land. I think Israel already knows that Hamas is bent on the destruction of Israel.
EB
ReplyDeleteYou said, "Frankly, if I had my druthers, we would impose a media blackout on the whole situation, and peek in once a year to see if either side has come to their senses."
Was that intended to be serious?
To address solutions, something that none of the participants seem to do well with, I suggest a serious look at current and past efforts particularly in the area of 3 billion in US aid for Israel and tackling the issue of supporting most of the 1.5 million residents of Gaza via ongoing International aid.
As long as these policies are followed, what is the likelihood of progress? If Hamas doesn't have to take economic responsibility for the people it supposedly represents, and Israel can count on the US to fund its Military, where's the incentive to compromise and reach a workable agreement?
Did you read the link I provided on Israel profiting from the aid to Gaza?
For Herb?
ReplyDelete'The moral is that Hamas, just like al Qaeda, came out of nothing, did not arise in reaction to anything substantial, but was created out of spite and hatred for democracy, freedom and Western civilization.'
Hamas is Nothing like al Qaeda or vice versa. It's a very complicated history for both groups. Just as different as Iranians and Arabs. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend.' Don't know who said that but it's kind of applicable.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/mitchell-bard-is-wrong-on_b_156130.html?page=4&show_comment_id=19536443#comment_19536443
This is a pretty good article describing what's happened. Time line etc. Lots of propaganda out there. Some good articles on huffingtonpost.com.
Heard on some news report or another that the Palestinians should bow to the Israelis. Bow like slaves? It's all rather sickening to see Any people treated worse than animals.